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BeitragThema: Time, Universe and everything.   So Feb 14, 2010 1:44 pm

what is time? is it laid out with everything we do already done and set?
Or are we changing everything as we go along?

my personal views is that everything that is about to happen has happened and we are just living through that.
I see no way of the universe working if every action and reaction was only just coming into play.

then that brings in the question "if thats so then why do we live in the present and can't see the actions of the future that has apparently already happened?"

but only an idiot would ask that.
Time is relative, and there is no present, can you tell me when it is present?

Now, no that was the past, now, again the past.

can you see? There is no smallest unit of time, there is always and smaller one(infinite) so there can be no present....


wait I think I'm side tracking....

anyway, my point is that everything is set in concrete and all our decisions made for us. We just got to live through them.

There is no changing the past, so how can you expect to be able to change the future?
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BeitragThema: Re: Time, Universe and everything.   So Feb 14, 2010 2:14 pm

well if you knew the future you could change the events leading up to the event that you have seen/ know of and thus changing the continum, but if you dont know the events up to the event, say something that happens a year from now you will only beable to change what you do at the specified event, which also could change the continum depending on how big a role you play in the event.

Basicly i belive that time is a subject that is to big for our brains to handle, we cannot grasp the idea of "infinity" because we cannot give it a number because it is the never ending.......and now im lost...

Time is complicated and i dont think i can give a very philosofical point of veiw at this hour, because my higher brainfunctions have degraded a bit after playing 5 hours of Mass Effect 2 xp
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BeitragThema: Re: Time, Universe and everything.   So Feb 14, 2010 3:05 pm

How can everything be predestined? I can either smash my face on the keyboard right now or not, nothing is making me act or not act. Similarly to my argument about the meaning of life, unless you're religious then thinking that everything is predestined makes no sense.

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BeitragThema: Re: Time, Universe and everything.   So Feb 14, 2010 4:21 pm

did you smash your head on the keyboard?
if no.
then your weren't going to from start.

What I can't see is how the universe can work if everything wasn't predetermined.

I can't really explain how i see everything being predetermined, cause I suck at explaining things, but I will sit down and try.
Can you tell me how you can see the world not be?

edit:
ok here I go, I will try to explain

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This is going to be all theoretical and logical
If I were to create a time machine(yes I know it's already sounding too sci-fi and ridiculous but bear with me.)
And were to go back in time and stop me from posting this topic, I will not be able to. Cause it has been posted, and everything the future self did would have already happened.

Logically it should work both ways.

If I were to travel to the future and find out a week from now I was going to die in a car crash, when I returned I would not be able stop it from happening.
Cause it already happened.

So in the sort I guess there is no present or future or past, they are just stages in time of which we refer to.
And free-will and time are just mare illusions, to which our minds create to make it feel like we choice and action to what goes on around us(we do kind of but we have no control over it.)

And that's the best I can do atm.
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BeitragThema: Re: Time, Universe and everything.   So Feb 14, 2010 6:56 pm

How do you know that you wouldn't be able to stop your self from dying in the car crash? Until we actually have time machines, we won't know if that is possible or not.

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BeitragThema: Re: Time, Universe and everything.   So Feb 14, 2010 7:26 pm

its just logical that i can't, because when i travel to the future the present that i live in is now the past and the future is the present and you can not change events in the past, so by that logic you can't change the future.

It's true that example can not be entirely proven until the such inventions of time machines.

But it should allow you to see how everything can be predetermined.....
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BeitragThema: Re: Time, Universe and everything.   So Feb 14, 2010 7:46 pm

You are stupid. I'm not going to read through a shit ton of an argument over something so dumb.

I can decide what I'm going to do. I have free will, therefore I can decide to do or not to do something.

Shut up.

Edit: Also you cannot time travel so shut up again.
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BeitragThema: Re: Time, Universe and everything.   So Feb 14, 2010 7:59 pm

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You are stupid. I'm not going to read through a shit ton of an argument over something so dumb.

I can decide what I'm going to do. I have free will, therefore I can decide to do or not to do something.

Shut up.

Edit: Also you cannot time travel so shut up again.

1. No one is arguing
2. No one said you can travel through time.
3. Good for you for sticking to your own opinion and not giving time to hear anyone else.

You would make a great catholic extremists(or almost any religion but I thought that one was the most offensive to say.)
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BeitragThema: Re: Time, Universe and everything.   So Feb 14, 2010 8:45 pm

Wrong dimension, your whole argument is invalid because it's based on theory that's impossible to prove. Therefore your whole philosophy is flawed.

You're thinking of the 10th or the 11th dimension.

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BeitragThema: Re: Time, Universe and everything.   So Feb 14, 2010 10:27 pm

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1. No one is arguing Then you're more of idiots because you're all (except Theta) discussing the nuances of a theory that's not possible.
2. No one said you can travel through time. You said "WEEL LOL IF YOU CULD U CUDNTS STOP STUF OLOL" as if it was a plausible way of proving something. It's not plausible, and even if it was, you still have a bullshit theory. You're either an idiot or an idiot. You lose.
3. Good for you for sticking to your own opinion and not giving time to hear anyone else. I'm not addressing this because this wasn't a point/was a stupid point, because I read this entire stupid discussion.

You would make a great catholic extremists(or almost any religion but I thought that one was the most offensive to say.)
Wonderful; you've mixed me with group that's totally different from me in its way of arguing. My way of arguing is basically: If it's not plausible or proven, it's stupid; stop discussing it as if it's a passable discussion.

My edits are in this color because I have the most badass edits ever, bitch.
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BeitragThema: Re: Time, Universe and everything.   So Feb 14, 2010 10:51 pm

I hereby dub paul Usama bin Supanich the most fiscous terorist in the west. Paul i believe that we discuss stupid things because it is fun to put half a mind into questions that we know are impossible for us to answer (if they even are questions)

So why dont you either troll some more, or join in the discussion?


(and btw, your edits arent badass)


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BeitragThema: Re: Time, Universe and everything.   Mo Feb 15, 2010 2:04 am

Time travel is impossible because of the mainstream theory of the third dimension, which is the dimension we exist in. The theory of the third dimension (or at least its laws) can be proven by simply existing. You can think of the third dimension as a train on a track, behind the train there is an endless void. In front of the train there is an endless fog, when the train moves foreword this fog is broken, and the track behind it is replaced with a void. In other words, there is no predetermined or preset state for the future of the universe. There's also no saved state of the past state of the universe. Saying the future is already set is like saying you believe in an all powerful all controlling god, which is plausible and would change the entire theory. However, there is no definitive proof, so our next best guess is that in front of the metaphorical train there are an unimaginably large number of different routes the train can take. The turns the train takes could be decided by something as small as a blink of an eye (Literally, you could change the present by deciding not to or to blink your eye), or as big as the timing of a supernova.

As for time travel:
Let's say you had a device that could take a scan of every single little particle in the universe, as they were moving, as the universe was expanding, (The device scanner would have to be an unimaginably far greater speed than the speed of light.) and save it into a data file. Now let's say this device had the power to manipulate every single little and big thing in the universe, including the universe itself. If anything above was possible, then time travel would be possible. But no nothing above is remotely possible AT ALL, there is an infinite impossibility here.

Therefore because of the dimension we exist in, time travel (Forewords or backwards) is flat out impossible.

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So why dont you either troll some more, or join in the discussion?

Just because someone states their opinions (Or in this case, facts) based on a monitored event doesn't mean the person is a troll.

It has also come to my attention that you don't know the definition of "Troll".

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BeitragThema: Re: Time, Universe and everything.   Mo Feb 15, 2010 5:18 am


fella' that mastrubates all day (aka troll)


So yes im calling paul a charger.
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BeitragThema: Re: Time, Universe and everything.   Mo Feb 15, 2010 7:09 am

Sushi schrieb:
fella' that mastrubates all day (aka troll)

A troll is someone that gets another person angry for the trolls enjoyment/amusement.

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BeitragThema: Re: Time, Universe and everything.   Mo Feb 15, 2010 8:21 am

It is enjoyable to watch Sushi rage, but my main point was me stating my opinion. I don't intend to "troll." It's just an amusing side effect.

Also by "aren" you must mean "Are," so thank you for agreeing that my my edits are awesome.
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BeitragThema: Re: Time, Universe and everything.   Mo Feb 15, 2010 8:47 am

well rage is fun >=)

(btw paul look closely, it says "arent")
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BeitragThema: Re: Time, Universe and everything.   Mo Feb 15, 2010 12:13 pm

Sushi schrieb:
(btw paul look closely, it says "arent")
You are now officially the biggest idiot.
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BeitragThema: Re: Time, Universe and everything.   Mo Feb 15, 2010 1:28 pm

i know =D

Also i am known as god =)
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BeitragThema: Re: Time, Universe and everything.   Mo Feb 15, 2010 2:22 pm

ok I admit it.
My way of trying to explain was useless.
But it was the best I could with out sitting down for a long extended period of time going through every little detail of why I think the everything is predetermined.
I just don't have the time.
I will get to it when I do though.
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BeitragThema: Re: Time, Universe and everything.   Mo Feb 15, 2010 3:51 pm

Don't waste your time.
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BeitragThema: Re: Time, Universe and everything.   Mo Feb 15, 2010 8:34 pm

Paul Supanich schrieb:
Don't waste your time.

Exactly. I don't think this board is the best place to be explaining theories like that.

Also, relating to the "trolling" shit you're accusing him of: He's not enjoying looking like a total ass and having to argue with you, you just don't like his points/opinions and therefore get an adverse effect of moodyness and grudge-like hostility in your replies. If you don't like his opinions, use the reputation function, don't fucking rage everywhere just to try to disprove an opinion or point. You simply cannot do either of those without looking like an ass yourself.

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